Comments on: New Hampshire Primary Necessary For Democracy? What Twaddle! http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 21 Aug 2008 04:22:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Jack Lab http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1195 Jack Lab Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:49:46 +0000 http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1195 Sorry Tom...your vote does not count because your party has so decreed. And these ARE Party Primarys...so your complaint is better sent to your party offices. It so happens I live in Florida also and my vote counts! :-) And as far as anyone holding the primary campaigns hostage...while NH certainly passed a law saying we would be "1st in the Nation" in the early 60s it is obvious that the political parties agree. So, your complaint is with your party, not my home state. Enjoy the weather...I certainly do and do not miss the cold and snow! Sorry Tom…your vote does not count because your party has so decreed. And these ARE Party Primarys…so your complaint is better sent to your party offices. It so happens I live in Florida also and my vote counts! :-) And as far as anyone holding the primary campaigns hostage…while NH certainly passed a law saying we would be “1st in the Nation” in the early 60s it is obvious that the political parties agree. So, your complaint is with your party, not my home state. Enjoy the weather…I certainly do and do not miss the cold and snow!

]]> By: Jack Lab http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1194 Jack Lab Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:40:38 +0000 http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1194 One additional comment about the $ side of the Primary Campaigns. Do your own math regarding the spending of "public money" on Primaries. Some snap shots of cost Vs Income for and within the states. Columbia Mayor Bob Coble estimated the GOP debate last month generated $4 million locally, half the economic impact of a home college football game at the University of South Carolina. The Legislature appropriated $2.2 million for total expense, with the possibility of both primaries on the same day remaining uncertain. Beyond the economic investment the state financing represents (Clyburn says New Hampshire realized $306 million in impact from its 2000 primary), (Note: at a cost of 3 million public dollars) the events need the election expertise of the state system. That includes the use of voting machines. "We had people spending a lot of money on hotels, food, catering," Coble said. "Every candidate has a party." Restaurant owners like these events. "It brings people that have big wallets and even bigger egos and they can fill up a bar quickly," said Mike Evans, general manager at Liberty Tap Room & Grill. The South Carolina Democratic Party has estimated it will cost $300,000 to put on the Jan. 29, 2008, primary. Republicans could expect similar costs. “Having both of them on the same day, sponsored and promoted by the state, would cost taxpayers less than $700,000 and could produce economic benefits of more than $400 million. This does not take into account the public relations benefits that could accrue to our tourism industry as a result of the media attention and personal introductions to South Carolinians’ smiling faces and South Carolina’s beautiful places.” Promoting positive economic impact on a State IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE! And, public relations impact and benefits can be and are measured! One additional comment about the $ side of the Primary Campaigns. Do your own math regarding the spending of “public money” on Primaries. Some snap shots of cost Vs Income for and within the states.

Columbia Mayor Bob Coble estimated the GOP debate last month generated $4 million locally, half the economic impact of a home college football game at the University of South Carolina.

The Legislature appropriated $2.2 million for total expense, with the possibility of both primaries on the same day remaining uncertain. Beyond the economic investment the state financing represents (Clyburn says New Hampshire realized $306 million in impact from its 2000 primary), (Note: at a cost of 3 million public dollars) the events need the election expertise of the state system. That includes the use of voting machines.

“We had people spending a lot of money on hotels, food, catering,” Coble said. “Every candidate has a party.” Restaurant owners like these events. “It brings people that have big wallets and even bigger egos and they can fill up a bar quickly,” said Mike Evans, general manager at Liberty Tap Room & Grill.

The South Carolina Democratic Party has estimated it will cost $300,000 to put on the Jan. 29, 2008, primary. Republicans could expect similar costs. “Having both of them on the same day, sponsored and promoted by the state, would cost taxpayers less than $700,000 and could produce economic benefits of more than $400 million. This does not take into account the public relations benefits that could accrue to our tourism industry as a result of the media attention and personal introductions to South Carolinians’ smiling faces and South Carolina’s beautiful places.”

Promoting positive economic impact on a State IS THE BUSINESS OF THE STATE! And, public relations impact and benefits can be and are measured!

]]> By: Tom Baker http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1193 Tom Baker Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:39:59 +0000 http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1193 Sorry Jack, You will never convince me that a state that has less voters turning out than the city I live in should be a prime determinant as to what candidate will even be in the race when I get to vote. You can be proud of your state all you want, but the fact is you are not representative of the country. You also act as if you have a god given right to elect the President and then cry like a baby when other states want to actually have some say in the process. As a Floridian whose vote will not count this year, I can say with no reservation that I think you hold the country hostage. Your four state pledge has robbed my state of even hearing the candidates. The fact is no candidate would care about New Hampshire if you guys didnt force them to do so. That's the sad truth and you know it. I agree you should live free or die. Maybe you should live up to that motto and allow candidates to campaign where they wish and when they wish without threatening them and holding the rest of us hostage. Sorry Jack, You will never convince me that a state that has less voters turning out than the city I live in should be a prime determinant as to what candidate will even be in the race when I get to vote. You can be proud of your state all you want, but the fact is you are not representative of the country.

You also act as if you have a god given right to elect the President and then cry like a baby when other states want to actually have some say in the process. As a Floridian whose vote will not count this year, I can say with no reservation that I think you hold the country hostage. Your four state pledge has robbed my state of even hearing the candidates.

The fact is no candidate would care about New Hampshire if you guys didnt force them to do so. That’s the sad truth and you know it. I agree you should live free or die. Maybe you should live up to that motto and allow candidates to campaign where they wish and when they wish without threatening them and holding the rest of us hostage.

]]> By: Jack Lab http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1192 Jack Lab Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:28:20 +0000 http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-1192 Lets see now...If I understood the posts >, for a state to be "representative" it has to have every majority and minority ever in the US to be so. Pardon this native born NH person who was in government in NH, but that’s more racists then the folks at a Klan Klavern. NH is representative of the US by the very nature of its partisan and non-partisan political make up, and the broad social and economic strata of the population. It was, until the "Mass" migration in 74, a GOP stronghold. Now it is very close to even mix of registered republicans and democrats…with a whole bunch of independents/non aligned…to keep every one honest. I will admit that Bill Loeb, the late publisher of the MUL, did give a hint to racism in the State but it was “his” racism and not that of the people of the State. His Women’s Wear Daily comment in the late 60s about the black population in NH ‘it’s too cold for there F%&$%&@ black asses in NH’ (See: Who the hell is William Loeb-Kevin Cash) certainly came close to giving the state a black eye…pun intended. Bill died before PC took hold. The days of mad men governors such as Mel Thompson are as long gone as Bill Loeb. After Mel, I do not recall anyone trying to mount a .50 calibar machine gun on a 14 ft Boston Whaler to fight the “Lobster War” with Maine. Another migration in 2000/2001 added 400,000 residents to the state and about 60% of them are independents. Every political "stripe" is represented within the borders of NH. And the primary election is a POLITICAL event. Not a cultural event. People who raise the issue of RACE and ethnicity as a determinant of “representative” are an example of what is truly wrong in the US. LIVE FREE OR DIE is both a motto and a long held and strong belief in NH regardless of your race or ethnicity. Lets see now…If I understood the posts >, for a state to be “representative” it has to have every majority and minority ever in the US to be so. Pardon this native born NH person who was in government in NH, but that’s more racists then the folks at a Klan Klavern. NH is representative of the US by the very nature of its partisan and non-partisan political make up, and the broad social and economic strata of the population.
It was, until the “Mass” migration in 74, a GOP stronghold. Now it is very close to even mix of registered republicans and democrats…with a whole bunch of independents/non aligned…to keep every one honest. I will admit that Bill Loeb, the late publisher of the MUL, did give a hint to racism in the State but it was “his” racism and not that of the people of the State. His Women’s Wear Daily comment in the late 60s about the black population in NH ‘it’s too cold for there F%&$%&@ black asses in NH’ (See: Who the hell is William Loeb-Kevin Cash) certainly came close to giving the state a black eye…pun intended. Bill died before PC took hold.
The days of mad men governors such as Mel Thompson are as long gone as Bill Loeb. After Mel, I do not recall anyone trying to mount a .50 calibar machine gun on a 14 ft Boston Whaler to fight the “Lobster War” with Maine.
Another migration in 2000/2001 added 400,000 residents to the state and about 60% of them are independents. Every political “stripe” is represented within the borders of NH. And the primary election is a POLITICAL event. Not a cultural event.
People who raise the issue of RACE and ethnicity as a determinant of “representative” are an example of what is truly wrong in the US. LIVE FREE OR DIE is both a motto and a long held and strong belief in NH regardless of your race or ethnicity.

]]> By: Tom Baker http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-466 Tom Baker Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:46:22 +0000 http://election2008.teambio.org/2007/08/13/new-hampshire-primary-necessary-for-democracy-what-twaddle/#comment-466 It's the spittin image of our country for sure :) It’s the spittin image of our country for sure :)

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