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	<title>Comments on: And Then There Were Four- Edwards, Giuliani To End Presidential Bids</title>
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		<title>By: manapp99</title>
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		<dc:creator>manapp99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that Ron Paul is a nut case. I find it very interesting the number of lefties that support him though. Even with my libertarian bent I know that Pauls isolationist approach will not work in todays global economy. 
Steve, I do not think a McCain/Obama ticket is a possiblilty (though I like the sound of it) however how would you feel about a McCain/Lieberman ticket?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that Ron Paul is a nut case. I find it very interesting the number of lefties that support him though. Even with my libertarian bent I know that Pauls isolationist approach will not work in todays global economy.<br />
Steve, I do not think a McCain/Obama ticket is a possiblilty (though I like the sound of it) however how would you feel about a McCain/Lieberman ticket?</p>
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		<title>By: the good doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>the good doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Too bad they didn’t get more press and coverage when it could have mattered."

That is quite the point; press coverage. But it is much worse than "too bad." We have the press and their corporate handlers selecting and de-selecting who the candidates should be. All I'm saying is that we have TV for all of the viewpoints you have expressed. Don't make this, the internet, merely an echo of the ideas that are on the tube. We can make this media work for us.  

FWIW, I intend to vote for Paul in the primary and Obama in the general election. Obama has his CFR and his bundlers, but he does seem to offer hope. After eight years of the crap we've put up with we could use some of that, even if it is just  lip-service. I don't have any illusion that Paul could win the nomination or that my vote will actually matter (as I live in Indiana and we tend to vote like a bunch of drunk, inbred, flag-waving monkeys), but I like what Paul brings to the possible future of American politics. Maybe we'll get more people reading up on the constitution before it is completely reduced to novelty toilet paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Too bad they didn’t get more press and coverage when it could have mattered.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is quite the point; press coverage. But it is much worse than &#8220;too bad.&#8221; We have the press and their corporate handlers selecting and de-selecting who the candidates should be. All I&#8217;m saying is that we have TV for all of the viewpoints you have expressed. Don&#8217;t make this, the internet, merely an echo of the ideas that are on the tube. We can make this media work for us.  </p>
<p>FWIW, I intend to vote for Paul in the primary and Obama in the general election. Obama has his CFR and his bundlers, but he does seem to offer hope. After eight years of the crap we&#8217;ve put up with we could use some of that, even if it is just  lip-service. I don&#8217;t have any illusion that Paul could win the nomination or that my vote will actually matter (as I live in Indiana and we tend to vote like a bunch of drunk, inbred, flag-waving monkeys), but I like what Paul brings to the possible future of American politics. Maybe we&#8217;ll get more people reading up on the constitution before it is completely reduced to novelty toilet paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew O'Keefe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew O'Keefe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not drinking the Steve Kool Aid!  There will never be a mixed ticket in this run for the White House.  I do however see anyone in the Dem's beating Hillary is better.  Obama better start crossing his T's and dotting his I's if he wants the Oval Office.  Hil/bil will not play fair and you have to fight fire with fire.

Ron Paul whacko's Steve???  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not drinking the Steve Kool Aid!  There will never be a mixed ticket in this run for the White House.  I do however see anyone in the Dem&#8217;s beating Hillary is better.  Obama better start crossing his T&#8217;s and dotting his I&#8217;s if he wants the Oval Office.  Hil/bil will not play fair and you have to fight fire with fire.</p>
<p>Ron Paul whacko&#8217;s Steve???  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like when all the Ron Paul wackos run in here.  

I am going McCain first, Obama second...

What did I stutter?  I can vote for Democrats!  

The McCain/Obama ticket has a nice ring to it too, just to fuck with the Clintons.  Can't wait until that mayor from New York jumps in on the independents.  That screws Hillary...  Anything that screws Hillary out of winning is serious vindication...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like when all the Ron Paul wackos run in here.  </p>
<p>I am going McCain first, Obama second&#8230;</p>
<p>What did I stutter?  I can vote for Democrats!  </p>
<p>The McCain/Obama ticket has a nice ring to it too, just to fuck with the Clintons.  Can&#8217;t wait until that mayor from New York jumps in on the independents.  That screws Hillary&#8230;  Anything that screws Hillary out of winning is serious vindication&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Grandlund</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Grandlund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig (me)- 

I suspect that Giuliani was the front runner for so long only because he announced so early. Yes, he may have had more to say, but by recusing himself from the early primary states (in campaigning) he effectively shut the door on himself. And let's not kid ourselves about "the nation's respect" based on 9-11. Bush had the whole country in a handbasket after 9-11 too, but then he proceded to screw things up very, very badly. Giuliani couldn't get past 9-11 and what it might have meant to him personally, but this nation has more worries than rogue terrorists and their designs to destroy us. By listening to Giuliani on the stump, you'd be hard pressed to discern that. McCain was written off as dead and done early on, but Giuliana's mis-steps opened the door for him to emerge as the new frontrunner. Frankly, for my money, I'm not sure which of those two is actually a better choice for GOPers.

So, yes, there are still terrorists out there, and they still want to attack us. But the world can't operate on fear alone, and better candidates seem to realize this fact.

good doctor- Resigned to defeat? Fatalism? How about resigned to reality. As for the MSM and the outcome they desire...seems to me that they crowned Giuliani and Clinton months ago as the 'inevitable" nominees. I never accepted that opinion so early in the game and said so in posts here. In fact, only recently have I come down so clear cut as this. Believe it or not, I was curious early about  Mike Gravel and Ron Paul. I liked some things about both of them, but they aren't in a position to be a credible candidate at this stage of the game. Too bad they didn't get more press and coverage when it could have mattered. 

And further, how can I be resigned to defeat when one of the Final Four is someone I have great hopes for? My guy is in the top four, not yours. So who's basking in defeat here really? If the final two standing are Clinton and McCain, that, IMO, would be a defeat because it would signify that politics WILL go on as usual for at least another 4 years, and that's 4 more years than we have to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig (me)- </p>
<p>I suspect that Giuliani was the front runner for so long only because he announced so early. Yes, he may have had more to say, but by recusing himself from the early primary states (in campaigning) he effectively shut the door on himself. And let&#8217;s not kid ourselves about &#8220;the nation&#8217;s respect&#8221; based on 9-11. Bush had the whole country in a handbasket after 9-11 too, but then he proceded to screw things up very, very badly. Giuliani couldn&#8217;t get past 9-11 and what it might have meant to him personally, but this nation has more worries than rogue terrorists and their designs to destroy us. By listening to Giuliani on the stump, you&#8217;d be hard pressed to discern that. McCain was written off as dead and done early on, but Giuliana&#8217;s mis-steps opened the door for him to emerge as the new frontrunner. Frankly, for my money, I&#8217;m not sure which of those two is actually a better choice for GOPers.</p>
<p>So, yes, there are still terrorists out there, and they still want to attack us. But the world can&#8217;t operate on fear alone, and better candidates seem to realize this fact.</p>
<p>good doctor- Resigned to defeat? Fatalism? How about resigned to reality. As for the MSM and the outcome they desire&#8230;seems to me that they crowned Giuliani and Clinton months ago as the &#8216;inevitable&#8221; nominees. I never accepted that opinion so early in the game and said so in posts here. In fact, only recently have I come down so clear cut as this. Believe it or not, I was curious early about  Mike Gravel and Ron Paul. I liked some things about both of them, but they aren&#8217;t in a position to be a credible candidate at this stage of the game. Too bad they didn&#8217;t get more press and coverage when it could have mattered. </p>
<p>And further, how can I be resigned to defeat when one of the Final Four is someone I have great hopes for? My guy is in the top four, not yours. So who&#8217;s basking in defeat here really? If the final two standing are Clinton and McCain, that, IMO, would be a defeat because it would signify that politics WILL go on as usual for at least another 4 years, and that&#8217;s 4 more years than we have to waste.</p>
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